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THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JESUS' TEACHINGS & PAUL'S

by Mary in

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22 years ago

has anyone noticed that alot of paul's ideas that are part of the scriptures contrast directly with jesus'??

paul said about fornicators, idolaters, etc.

that they should be booted out of the congregation and should be "treated as a person of the nation, or a tax collector" and that no one should "even say a greeting to him.

22 years ago

no one 22 years ago

"But to the others I say, yes, I, not the Lord: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and yet she is agreeable to dwelling with him, let him not leave her:... A wife is bound during all the time her husband is alive. But if after her husband should fall asleep [in death], she is free to be married to whom she wants, only in [the] Lord. But she is happier if she remains as she is, according to my opinion. I certainly think I have God's spirit." 1Cor. 7:12, 39-40

Can't say I necessarily disagree with these statements, but I take them as stated; Paul's, not God's, opinions. And to me, I would think a person would know if he had God's spirit.

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Name that dog?

by hippikon in

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22 years ago

due to security issues in our neighborhood we are getting a big dog.

we had a look at him tonight big siberian husky 8 months old and very big for a husky taller than i am when standing on his back legs more of a howler than a barker hope the neighbors dont complain.

loves children but dont think he could eat a whole one probably spit that bit out anyway.

22 years ago

no one 22 years ago

Mishka. Unsure of the spelling. Supposed to mean 'bear' in Russian.

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Fragments of "Light"

by refiners fire in

22 years ago

its a shame that one has to wade through 300 pages of boring twaddle to find a few pearls.

but then...you have me to do the wading!

some observations on the book light (volume 2/1930)

22 years ago

no one 22 years ago

RF, my only theory as to why they have the 2 date option is that they just don't know. I wonder how they defend their retort that 'prophesy is only fully understood after it is fulfilled' statement here.

Daniel is one of my favorite books to discuss with them because of its statements about it being for the time of the end and how the true knowledge would become abundant. I just keep asking questions about the errors I run across in the prophetic time periods vs. their explanation/force fit so JWs fulfill the prophesy. Out of 6 witnesses I've questioned recently on the 2300 days, every one of them has said they would have to get back to me and not one has. Hard to believe we're living in the time of the end if one of the books meant to be understood then is still a mystery. And I like this phrase from Dan 12:9: "Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of the end." That kinda eliminates that 'understanding it after it's fulfilled' BS for me.

Thanks for the info on the Dec. '71 article. Found this in the footnotes:

The six (6) years, four (4) months and twenty (20) days apply as follows: From Sivan 2 (June 1), 1938, six years would end on Sivan 1 (May 23), 1944. Four lunar months (Sivan, Tammuz, Ab, Elul) after that would end on Tishri 1 (September 18), 1944. Twenty days added onto that would end on Tishri 21 (October 8), 1944.

These guys must have known there was a problem cuz they keep using doublespeak in explaining it. Their first reminder in the main article and also in the Daniel book is how this prophetic period must be counted using a prophetic year of 360 days. So, taking 2300 days and breaking it down into prophetic years converts to 6 years, 4 months, and 20 days. Then, as in the footnote quoted above, they then count the time using a 365 day calendar and/or the Jewish lunar calendar of 354 days.

Once again, using either calendar from the above quote gets you 2322 days. Two days were added correctly by them for leap-years to the Gregorian calendar; 60 days were added by them for the two leap-months needed for the lunar calendar to keep pace with the solar one. Their 4 months=118 days, two 30-day months and two 29.

A book that I would recommend if you haven't already read it is Carl Jonsson's 'Gentile Times Reconsidered'. Fairly well done, but I feel he was not as convincing when he inserted his own explanation for the 70 years of desolation for Jerusalem. As with the society, he couldn't quite get a 70-year period without some struggling. Been over a year since I read it so would need time to re-read if challenged to elaborate.

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Lilith ?!

by Vivamus in

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22 years ago

did you ever heard of lilith?

not as an extension of adam, but the creation was dual, man and woman were one, almost a bisexual being.

but then adam *sigh, typically men* tried to dominate her, and she said in modern english "f*ck off, i'm leaving you", bravo lilith!

22 years ago

no one 22 years ago

Viv, the Oct. 2001 issue of Bible Review magazine has an excellent article on Lilith. The mag is a series of articles analyzing different biblical concepts and not in promoting a particluar religion. Their latest issue (April) discusses the books of Enoch that was mentioned by search....

Would quote some of the Lilith issue for you, but unable to locate it at the moment.

You can order a back issue here: http://www.biblereview.org

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Fragments of "Light"

by refiners fire in

22 years ago

its a shame that one has to wade through 300 pages of boring twaddle to find a few pearls.

but then...you have me to do the wading!

some observations on the book light (volume 2/1930)

22 years ago

no one 22 years ago

You'll love the Daniel book, RF. It should have come with a pocket for a calculator cuz their prophetic math is questonable. Page 301 is one of my favorites to usher them to. Several of their time periods there just don't add up. Example:

June 1 or 15, 1938 til October 8 or 22, 1944 is counted by them as 2300 days. A few quick strokes on the calculator and a bit of research into leap years (1940 and 1944 are leap years) brings the prophetic period stated to 2322 days.

Going to p.177-179 gives you their take on how it is calculated, along with a misleading parenthetical insert on p.178 that it is '6 years, 4 months, and 20 days on the Hebrew calendar' (funny thing though is that the Hebrew calendar was a lunar calendar of 354 day years with a leap month approx. every 3rd year).

To me, a 2300 day prophesy should be 2300 days (or maybe years) long and no longer no matter what calendar you use. A day is a day is a day. But, to give them the benefit of the doubt, I switched over to the Hebrew calendar provided in their 'Insght' book and started my count in June ( Sivan in Hebrew for June 8th). Sure enough, 6 years (354x6=2124 plus two years with a leap month of 30 days each, 2124+30+30=2184), 4 months (two months, Sivan and Ab are 30 days long; the other two are 29; so 30+30+29+29=118), and 20 days is.............................................................................2322 days.

The only error I can possibly find in the calculation is I can't determine with certainty whether Veadar, the leap month, is 30 or 29 days long.

Enjoy the book. It should keep you busy for months.

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Fragments of "Light"

by refiners fire in

22 years ago

its a shame that one has to wade through 300 pages of boring twaddle to find a few pearls.

but then...you have me to do the wading!

some observations on the book light (volume 2/1930)

22 years ago

no one 22 years ago

I enjoy your posts, RF, especially your research into the older pubs.

That image in the 'Daniel' book was always a problem for me. First I noticed that the Bible account in chapter 2 of Daniel only specifies 4 kindoms. It never came out and said the feet and clay were another separate kingdom.

Secondly, I noticed how Babylon, Greece, etc. got their own particular metal as a separate world power, but the 6th world power, Rome, and the 7th world power, Anglo-American, have to share the iron legs on p.139. Then there's those feet. Is that another kingdom, this 'politically divided world' they mention?

If the account in Daniel is to mean 5 kingdoms represented by 5 different metals, then the feet should be the 7th world power by their reckoning.

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Bible Error: The Hour of Jesus' Crucifixion

by JosephAlward in

22 years ago

joe alward

john's account of the time of jesus' crucifixion apparently contradicts mark's account.

here is the evidence:.

22 years ago

no one 22 years ago

While I agree with you that the 2 accounts contradict, I disagree with the absolutes as to time of day.

Since, as you noted, time was measured relative to sunrise, the 1st hour begins at sunrise, or about 6:00 and ends at 6:59. This makes the 3rd hour run from 8:00 til 8:59 and the 6th hour 11:00 til 11:59. Noon would be the beginning of the 7th hour and the 12th hour would start at 5:00PM til sunset.

So, I think the term noon would be incorrect, even if it were 11:59. He could have been crucified at 11:00 by John's reckoning of using the 6th hour.

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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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22 years ago

there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

here is a quote that shows this: .

16 years ago

no one 22 years ago

Analysis,

I liked undisfellowshipped's 1st post where he posed the question (7) where he asked if there were now going to be two attacks, one from Gog and one from the King of the North. If they are two separate entities, then it would seem so.

I agree, also, with his above statement that the WT used to promote that the UN would be doing the attacking and avoided that stance in this article. I posed that question to the poor soul who brought me my copy of the article. And his response was that the King of the North would be a UN member, so the UN would still be doing the attacking. I asked him to show me biblically that the King of the North would be a UN member. He dropped it and said he'd have to research.

It was only after he left and I read the article that I ran across the 'bury Gog' verse in Exekiel. Am interested in putting that question to him. Of course, it'll probably be a response saying that Gog is dead in the sense that he no longer has influence over mankind during the thousands years.

Undisfellowshipped, thanks for giving me something to research with your post.

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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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22 years ago

there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

here is a quote that shows this: .

16 years ago

no one 22 years ago

My apologies to those who were looking at my post and comparing Ezek 38:11 in the Bible. The corrected chapter is Ezek 39:11 of my 1st quote in the above post.

Analysis, thanks for your reply. Interestingly, both Gog and 'The King of the North' are referenced with coming out of the 'north' in mind. Could it be that they are one and the same?

And I shall certainly turn you around and put hooks in your jaws and bring you forth with all your military force, horses and horseman...And I will turn you around and lead you on and cause you to come up for the remotest parts of the north and bring you in upon the mountains of Israel. Ezek 38:4; 39:2

And in the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and with horseman and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through. He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration... Dan 11:40-41

Who knows? Never seen it discussed in WT circles.

Masterji, was writing the same thoughts when you posted. Thanks for the input.

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New Light on the United Nations (U.N.) (Scarlet Beast)

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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22 years ago

there appears to be "new light" in the latest watchtower magazine (june 1st 2003 issue).

several watchtower publications for the last 50+ years have said that the united nations (u.n.) organization ("the scarlet-colored wild beast" of revelation) would definitely be the organization that will carry out jehovah's judgment on "babylon the great" (false religion), and then, under satan's [gog of magog's] direction, the united nations organization would become "greedy", and try to attack the remaining remnant of the "anointed" jehovah's witnesses and their companions, the "great crowd" of "other sheep", and then jehovah and jesus would destroy the united nations organization, along with everyone else who was not a jehovah's witness.

here is a quote that shows this: .

16 years ago

no one 22 years ago

This may be a bit off-topic about the wild beast/UN aspect of this discussion, but in researching this article, I ran across the following that gave me pause for thought:

And it must occur in that day that I shall give to Gog a place there, a burial place in Israel, the valley of those passing through on the east of the sea, and it will be stopping up those passing through. And there they will have to bury Gog and all his crowd... Ezek39:11

Now, if Satan is indeed Gog, as identified at the beginning of Paragraph 11 in the article, and he is to be abyssed for 1000 years after Armageddon, how is it that he is described as being buried after the battle?

It also seems inconsistent that in Revelation Satan is not called Gog, but nations are:

Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war...Rev20:7

Any thoughts on this?

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